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Rachel Karten's avatar

have been thinking about this a lot—and remember feeling very disturbed seeing a writer apologize for all of the “spam” in the chat with no other acknowledgment of what those messages were about. appreciate you putting words to it.

lala thaddeus's avatar

This! And it’s been going on since day 1 — I can’t tell you the number of Americans I know who “prioritised their mental health” after October 2023 and got off Instagram because it was too much for them to see the images … like if it’s too much for you to see images of genocide, what do you think it feels like to live through one?

Maya AlZaben's avatar

EVERY WORD

Megan Ford's avatar

Thank you for this. I’ve been shocked at how apolitical this app is in general - very little mention of the real world & whats going on ever.

Danya Issawi's avatar

That’s a good point, much of this app happens in an echo chamber

Melis Ugurlu's avatar

This is why I cringe whenever they compare Notes to Twitter. It’s not the meta discourse or declarations of love toward Substack that bother me but that the entire thread is deprived of politics unless you have a newsletter where you choose to highlight topics including the genocide in Gaza and more. But what’s really concerning is that people think that’s a “category.” I think people are more “involved” on Ig stories or twitter compared to here.

Nisha's avatar

the IGF (yes, the genocide army) has an official substack! Block them btw.

And the fashion side of the app is absolutely crawling with zios though they're now being a bit lowkey since the western media narrative has started to shift away from 'boohoo poor settler state can do no wrong'. I remember even the few fashion substacks (other than this one) who have mentioned the genocide and appealed for aid in their posts, used to get scolded by Zio apologists who'd hop into their comments and berate them for having the audacity to say it's a genocide, going 'it's such a complicated issue' and basically 'you can't call it a genocide, we haven't killed enough of them'-ing it. Even substacks with 100 subscribers who had the gall to feel bad, weren't spared this treatment btw there's one who haunts fashion substacks in particular and the 'such a thoughtful post, such great style advice, such wisdom!' kind of comments she routinely leaves on shopping and 'personal style' posts make an interesting juxtaposition against the rabid 'hdu call it a genocide' entitlement her tone takes on when the fashion substacker bucks the zio talking points and says things like 'don't bomb civilians'.

Cierra Black's avatar

all of this x100000000. the moral depravity is harrowing

yuca's avatar

as someone who follows a mix of newsletters-i feel this so much. the studied and intentional turning away from those messages with the most acknowledgment being "im so sorry about all the spam lately!" from newsletters authors. let the real world "intrude" ur bubble.

Kaitlin Phillips's avatar

Ok I did complain about it but this take is correct.

Kaitlin Phillips's avatar

Haha I was like STOP interrupting me & in a non believable fashion. 😞

Maureen McLennon Welton's avatar

justice for learning new things, accepting when we messed up, and growing!!

Ruth S's avatar

FREE PALESTINE AND F*CK THOSE BITCHES

so curious what chat this was lol

co's avatar

long live 🙈 honestly it was worse than described, the girl who said it “wasn’t the time and place” first described the statement “not visiting a country carrying out genocide” as “hate speech.” grateful for this essay because I honestly felt like i was losing my mind reading that chat and all the follow up “nuuly!l comments.

Ruth S's avatar

lol resubscribing to gumshoe please hold

co's avatar

lol yes sorry initial misreport! knew I saw it and get those two chats confused.

Ruth S's avatar

no you're good! but also kinda concerning that I was like "yep this tracks"

co's avatar

welllllllll if you’re in that chat you know why

Ruth S's avatar

i avoid chats for this reason LOL

TaniaVanP's avatar

Thank you for this post & the reminder to donate to PCRF (done and done!). How can one turn away from the worst thing most of us have ever witnessed?

You really nailed it here: "The genuinely coolest people I know care deeply about the real world and understand the way they move through it has a ripple effect — has real, tangible consequences, big and small."

Maryah's avatar

Holy shit thank you so much for writing this I’ve felt INSANE!!!!

J V's avatar

Reading this was cathartic

Arabelle Sicardi's avatar

1000000000000%

Ifyouevencare's avatar

Thank you so much

kerstin's avatar

Every word of this!!!!

Arauca Imalay's avatar

It’s such a shame we live in a society that lacks an immense amount of empathy.

Lutz Huelle's avatar

Such a brilliant text !.. what an absolute nightmare it must be to live without any sense of empathy or compassion.